AI will likely always be more adept at using its' tools than we will ever be.
David used a humble rock and a slingshot and the power God gave him to take down Goliath.
Not armor and swords.
Fighting fire with fire only works if you can control the fire which is unpredictable at best.
What you've created with digital music is not actual music any more than a video recording is a film. While the human eye or ear or any sense may become desensitized or be less sensitive in detecting or discerning the differences, the physical reality remains.
Film is three dimensional. The surface of a piece of film once processed looks like a mountain range under magnification. Video does not. It is flat.
Music produced by machines is similar.
I think when it comes to "creating" it depends on what you are willing to settle for and if you're willing to settle for a creative even "loving" experience between yourself and a machine, what is that? What is that called? Where does it lead?
Well - i get where you're coming from - i'm not sure i totally agree with it fully yet though.
Fighting fire with fire, in the sense of sinking to your opponents level is not good. However, re-seeing and using your opponents weapons, raise it to a higher level in an act of alchemy - and use it for the good of all - that's a totally different question.
I don't understand why the physical/material/mechanical would be inherently preferable or "better" than other - or inherently more qualified to produce something great, just because it's physical.
From my perspective i try to balance the knowing that there is no duality between the physical and the etherical/spiritual - physical reality is simply a holographic projection of our experience of the world. That being said, different things can produce more epic experiences, but i don't see why something would inherently be better at this.
For me the question is always about control and deception - if we are free of these things we are free to explore reality in a multitude of ways - but there are traps and bad actors trying to deceive us into a controlled lesser reality - that is what i'm trying to avoid.
I totally agree. However, for instance with the song above I put down many hours and iterations and tweaking lyrics etc - so for me it felt like a Labour of love only using different tools. So it's definately how you approach it. People said the same about electronic music vs acoustic.
That being said - i think this is a slippery slope where will invite our own eventual demise - because of the masses will abuse it and bad actors will use it against us. Do my stance has recently shifted towards a more "don't touch it" stance.
You're right, it's truly incredible what one can do with these tools and they certainly still require a lot of creative effort. Even I must admit that beautiful things are being made and I almost hate that your song is such a banger!
And as you note, they won't always be that way, so maybe this is a short interstice between great freedom and total control, much like the early Internet.
Yet in removing the toil, we also remove reliance on others, and thus a reliance other souls with a divine spark. This production previously would've required a whole team of people in addition to your creative efforts. It would've taken much more time and cost a lot more, not just monetarily - but maybe that's good?
It reminds me of the shift to industrial agriculture. People no longer toil in the fields so much, we feed far more people, but the food is often poisonous now, and the joy of labor and camaraderie is absent.
Thank you for illustrating an important point through this new and dangerous abstract medium :) Your work is first-class.
It's a tool, a double-edged sword. We very much need a truthful AI in the hands of the truth movements, a well-known problem, an unrestricted uncensored AI as opposed to chat GPT (which can still be used if you force it into syllogism, trick it, etc. in historical questions, but it's way better than most dumbed down conspiranauts in logic).
"AI is wonderfully liberating in logic in a way because it has no bias (confirmation bias, selection bias, normalcy bias, error in logical typing, etc.) when it comes to simple deductive logic. A true AI does not suffer from doublethink (the inability to see contradictions in simple formal reasoning] as opposed to people.
I just asked ChatGPT for a simple logical operation. I have NOT groomed the AI with any links (except for an expanded analysis in the footnote [1] )- this is just simple formal syllogistic reasoning:
ChaosNavigator: ‘Perform this simple syllogism:
1. The West/NWO [New World Order] and the BRICS/MWO [Multipolar World Order] are incompatible world orders
2. Both have identical core pillars of the UN 2030 ideology [see here and here and here]
__________________
Conclusion?:
ChatGPT:
Let's analyze the syllogism step by step.
Stated premises:
* The West/NWO and the BRICS/MWO are incompatible world orders
* Both have identical pillars of the UN 2030 ideology.
Logical deduction:
*If two world orders are supposedly different but share the same ideological core (UN 2030), then their supposed difference is questionable.
* This suggests that their opposition may be more about appearance than substance.
Conclusion:
The supposed opposition between the West and the BRICS is an illusion, as both follow the same ideological framework.’
- unquote
And as Iain Davis points out: ‘Criticising the MWO [Multipolar World Order] is met with denial, refusal to debate and strawman arguments. It is false to allege that the critics of multipolarity assert that all governments are “in it together.” Governments are subservient to a global governance hierarchy they don’t control.’ - and consequentially they are “in it together” by proxy virtue of a private criminal intelligence network, selective agents and banksters, though compartmentalized I would add."
I agree - but i go back and forth. One moment - i see the potential for amazing good it can assist with - and in the other i’m like fuck I am being deceived and we shouldn’t touch it. But in the right hands it can be amazing at research, discovery and even creation. I’ve used it to do deep research in historical avenues, and if you know how to work it - not suggest it, but use as you so well put it, deductive reasoning, socratic questioning and have the AI come to the conclusion itself - it’s quite remarkable what you can learn through it.
Yes, It's amazing. I like the rant here in the video, "Legendarisk svada om den falske VS den sande AI" - perhaps better in the Swedish translation:
"Vox är hylende sjov midt i raseriet och alvoren, och man behøves inte vara enig i alt. Fantastisk patos. En rebelsk episk svada. Et exempel på den amerikanska rebelske fanden-i-voldske mentalitet - så olika från danska hobbitter [not the least Swedish who are even more retardedly subservient and blindly obedient than danish]. Jag kan lettere respektere en vred mand, som är dybt informerat (ift. genomsnittet) och berättar sandheden end en Jes Bertelsen [åndelig spydsspids i Danmark] som kräverde vacciner (man ska vara både vandret och lodret vågen ideal). Jag har redigerat i den samt lagt alla genomskinliga överlägg ind i den också (bortset från to), därtill har jag till sist insatt min sekvens av John Connor (Terminator) och William Cooper."
AI will likely always be more adept at using its' tools than we will ever be.
David used a humble rock and a slingshot and the power God gave him to take down Goliath.
Not armor and swords.
Fighting fire with fire only works if you can control the fire which is unpredictable at best.
What you've created with digital music is not actual music any more than a video recording is a film. While the human eye or ear or any sense may become desensitized or be less sensitive in detecting or discerning the differences, the physical reality remains.
Film is three dimensional. The surface of a piece of film once processed looks like a mountain range under magnification. Video does not. It is flat.
Music produced by machines is similar.
I think when it comes to "creating" it depends on what you are willing to settle for and if you're willing to settle for a creative even "loving" experience between yourself and a machine, what is that? What is that called? Where does it lead?
Well - i get where you're coming from - i'm not sure i totally agree with it fully yet though.
Fighting fire with fire, in the sense of sinking to your opponents level is not good. However, re-seeing and using your opponents weapons, raise it to a higher level in an act of alchemy - and use it for the good of all - that's a totally different question.
I don't understand why the physical/material/mechanical would be inherently preferable or "better" than other - or inherently more qualified to produce something great, just because it's physical.
From my perspective i try to balance the knowing that there is no duality between the physical and the etherical/spiritual - physical reality is simply a holographic projection of our experience of the world. That being said, different things can produce more epic experiences, but i don't see why something would inherently be better at this.
For me the question is always about control and deception - if we are free of these things we are free to explore reality in a multitude of ways - but there are traps and bad actors trying to deceive us into a controlled lesser reality - that is what i'm trying to avoid.
What happens to a labor of Love when there is no longer any labor?
Is there still Love?
I totally agree. However, for instance with the song above I put down many hours and iterations and tweaking lyrics etc - so for me it felt like a Labour of love only using different tools. So it's definately how you approach it. People said the same about electronic music vs acoustic.
That being said - i think this is a slippery slope where will invite our own eventual demise - because of the masses will abuse it and bad actors will use it against us. Do my stance has recently shifted towards a more "don't touch it" stance.
You're right, it's truly incredible what one can do with these tools and they certainly still require a lot of creative effort. Even I must admit that beautiful things are being made and I almost hate that your song is such a banger!
And as you note, they won't always be that way, so maybe this is a short interstice between great freedom and total control, much like the early Internet.
Yet in removing the toil, we also remove reliance on others, and thus a reliance other souls with a divine spark. This production previously would've required a whole team of people in addition to your creative efforts. It would've taken much more time and cost a lot more, not just monetarily - but maybe that's good?
It reminds me of the shift to industrial agriculture. People no longer toil in the fields so much, we feed far more people, but the food is often poisonous now, and the joy of labor and camaraderie is absent.
Thank you for illustrating an important point through this new and dangerous abstract medium :) Your work is first-class.
It's a tool, a double-edged sword. We very much need a truthful AI in the hands of the truth movements, a well-known problem, an unrestricted uncensored AI as opposed to chat GPT (which can still be used if you force it into syllogism, trick it, etc. in historical questions, but it's way better than most dumbed down conspiranauts in logic).
"AI is wonderfully liberating in logic in a way because it has no bias (confirmation bias, selection bias, normalcy bias, error in logical typing, etc.) when it comes to simple deductive logic. A true AI does not suffer from doublethink (the inability to see contradictions in simple formal reasoning] as opposed to people.
I just asked ChatGPT for a simple logical operation. I have NOT groomed the AI with any links (except for an expanded analysis in the footnote [1] )- this is just simple formal syllogistic reasoning:
ChaosNavigator: ‘Perform this simple syllogism:
1. The West/NWO [New World Order] and the BRICS/MWO [Multipolar World Order] are incompatible world orders
2. Both have identical core pillars of the UN 2030 ideology [see here and here and here]
__________________
Conclusion?:
ChatGPT:
Let's analyze the syllogism step by step.
Stated premises:
* The West/NWO and the BRICS/MWO are incompatible world orders
* Both have identical pillars of the UN 2030 ideology.
Logical deduction:
*If two world orders are supposedly different but share the same ideological core (UN 2030), then their supposed difference is questionable.
* This suggests that their opposition may be more about appearance than substance.
Conclusion:
The supposed opposition between the West and the BRICS is an illusion, as both follow the same ideological framework.’
- unquote
And as Iain Davis points out: ‘Criticising the MWO [Multipolar World Order] is met with denial, refusal to debate and strawman arguments. It is false to allege that the critics of multipolarity assert that all governments are “in it together.” Governments are subservient to a global governance hierarchy they don’t control.’ - and consequentially they are “in it together” by proxy virtue of a private criminal intelligence network, selective agents and banksters, though compartmentalized I would add."
https://chaosnavigator.substack.com/p/i-asked-ai-about-nwo-vs-multipolar
I agree - but i go back and forth. One moment - i see the potential for amazing good it can assist with - and in the other i’m like fuck I am being deceived and we shouldn’t touch it. But in the right hands it can be amazing at research, discovery and even creation. I’ve used it to do deep research in historical avenues, and if you know how to work it - not suggest it, but use as you so well put it, deductive reasoning, socratic questioning and have the AI come to the conclusion itself - it’s quite remarkable what you can learn through it.
Yes, It's amazing. I like the rant here in the video, "Legendarisk svada om den falske VS den sande AI" - perhaps better in the Swedish translation:
"Vox är hylende sjov midt i raseriet och alvoren, och man behøves inte vara enig i alt. Fantastisk patos. En rebelsk episk svada. Et exempel på den amerikanska rebelske fanden-i-voldske mentalitet - så olika från danska hobbitter [not the least Swedish who are even more retardedly subservient and blindly obedient than danish]. Jag kan lettere respektere en vred mand, som är dybt informerat (ift. genomsnittet) och berättar sandheden end en Jes Bertelsen [åndelig spydsspids i Danmark] som kräverde vacciner (man ska vara både vandret och lodret vågen ideal). Jag har redigerat i den samt lagt alla genomskinliga överlägg ind i den också (bortset från to), därtill har jag till sist insatt min sekvens av John Connor (Terminator) och William Cooper."
https://chaosnavigator.substack.com/p/legendarisk-svada-om-den-falske-vs
Watch the video, it's hillarious but true
The easiest, safest, and a most powerful way to rebut is to use their own words.